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Välitiloissa-festivaali, Art Market-tapahtuma (järjestäjä: Helsinki Urban Art)
Maria Grabar/Rusettilintu
Julkaistu: 30.10.2025 17:38
9,473 kommenttia
7.11-9.11.2025 on Välitiloissa-festivaali, johon kuuluu lauantaina 8.11. järjestettävä Art Market-tapahtuma klo 14.00-22.00. Myynnissä on taidetta useammalta taiteen tekijältä, minä mukaan lukien. Art Market pidetään osoitteessa Luutnantintie 5.
Lisätietoa tapahtumasta ja Art Market-myyjistä on ainakin instagramissa @helsinkiurbanart
Lisätietoa myös tapahtuman nettisivuilla: https://www.helsinkiurbanart.com/valitiloissa/
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